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		<title>By: the Esoteric Sheik of Inner Confusion</title>
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		<dc:creator>the Esoteric Sheik of Inner Confusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Turning the page:

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turning the page:</p>
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		<title>By: the Esoteric Sheik of Inner Confusion</title>
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		<dc:creator>the Esoteric Sheik of Inner Confusion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello.

567, 583, 586, 624, 629 are newly moderated. 

I apologize I haven&#039;t been around for the past two days and that the discussion has run over 600 posts. Sometimes there is too much work and too little time.

Fat Boy:&lt;i&gt;99.999999999999 percent of people on earth live a mechancial and sleepfull life; not realizing there is something higher outside or inside higher that they can touch themselves. I don’t judge this and see this is myself at all the time and it makes me depressed.&lt;/i&gt;

I hope that in time, as a lot of people before you, you will be able to see through that one. I&#039;d say that over 50% of people (god, how I hate statistics) believe that there is&lt;/i&gt; something higher than them and it makes them do (and believe) a lot of stupid things. Or was that 49 % of people - I forget some times, it&#039;s hard to keep track. By the way, good luck on being a member of that 0.00001 % - or spending your whole life striving for it. It&#039;s so much fun.

Who Knows: Who knows if you can see yourself as everyone else sees you, it might be - will I dare to use that word - enlightening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello.</p>
<p>567, 583, 586, 624, 629 are newly moderated. </p>
<p>I apologize I haven&#8217;t been around for the past two days and that the discussion has run over 600 posts. Sometimes there is too much work and too little time.</p>
<p>Fat Boy:<i>99.999999999999 percent of people on earth live a mechancial and sleepfull life; not realizing there is something higher outside or inside higher that they can touch themselves. I don’t judge this and see this is myself at all the time and it makes me depressed.</i></p>
<p>I hope that in time, as a lot of people before you, you will be able to see through that one. I&#8217;d say that over 50% of people (god, how I hate statistics) believe that there is something higher than them and it makes them do (and believe) a lot of stupid things. Or was that 49 % of people &#8211; I forget some times, it&#8217;s hard to keep track. By the way, good luck on being a member of that 0.00001 % &#8211; or spending your whole life striving for it. It&#8217;s so much fun.</p>
<p>Who Knows: Who knows if you can see yourself as everyone else sees you, it might be &#8211; will I dare to use that word &#8211; enlightening.</p>
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		<title>By: Who Knows</title>
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		<dc:creator>Who Knows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>613 unoanimo

What did RB do to you? I kind of missed your story, and would like to know more about you. 

You have a very creative mind and make us all laugh a lot, but who are you, really?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>613 unoanimo</p>
<p>What did RB do to you? I kind of missed your story, and would like to know more about you. </p>
<p>You have a very creative mind and make us all laugh a lot, but who are you, really?</p>
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		<title>By: Who Knows</title>
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		<dc:creator>Who Knows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>627 WhaleRider

&lt;em&gt;His granddaughter took his hand in hers and replied, “Then you must feed both, so that the hungry one doesn’t eat the other, and we can continue the fight together.”&lt;/em&gt;

It of course depends how you see the wolf. If you see him as something real, then you have a god-devil situation, which is kind of sucks, or you can see it as part of yourself, and then you can decide and make choice.

I post these stories, because I like them, not because they have anything to show or prove regarding RB. Maybe it&#039;s a waste of precious blogging space, but I don&#039;t think anyone got hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>627 WhaleRider</p>
<p><em>His granddaughter took his hand in hers and replied, “Then you must feed both, so that the hungry one doesn’t eat the other, and we can continue the fight together.”</em></p>
<p>It of course depends how you see the wolf. If you see him as something real, then you have a god-devil situation, which is kind of sucks, or you can see it as part of yourself, and then you can decide and make choice.</p>
<p>I post these stories, because I like them, not because they have anything to show or prove regarding RB. Maybe it&#8217;s a waste of precious blogging space, but I don&#8217;t think anyone got hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: Who Knows</title>
		<link>http://fellowshipoffriends.wordpress.com/2007/07/28/the-fellowship-of-friends-discussion-part-17/#comment-5470</link>
		<dc:creator>Who Knows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>576 dick moron

&lt;em&gt;What is really criminal in RB is the total lack of respect for ones wishes, the cunning and manipulation involved and the total lack of compassion and love connected to the experience. And, most importantly, the casting off and disregard for those who either refuse to continue the process or are no longer of interest.&lt;/em&gt;

Well, maybe I was lucky, or something, but I went in and out of relationship with RB without all these hurt feelings.

Don&#039;t get me wrong, if something difficult had happened to you or anyone else, I don&#039;t deny this, our lives are different and we are different, so we won&#039;t see things the same way.

Also, don&#039;t measure the whole USA with San Francisco of LA.
I would say it is more of an exception, then a rule.

Where am I on a Kinsey scale? I think somewhere around 2.
Almost bi-, but leaning towards opposite sex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>576 dick moron</p>
<p><em>What is really criminal in RB is the total lack of respect for ones wishes, the cunning and manipulation involved and the total lack of compassion and love connected to the experience. And, most importantly, the casting off and disregard for those who either refuse to continue the process or are no longer of interest.</em></p>
<p>Well, maybe I was lucky, or something, but I went in and out of relationship with RB without all these hurt feelings.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, if something difficult had happened to you or anyone else, I don&#8217;t deny this, our lives are different and we are different, so we won&#8217;t see things the same way.</p>
<p>Also, don&#8217;t measure the whole USA with San Francisco of LA.<br />
I would say it is more of an exception, then a rule.</p>
<p>Where am I on a Kinsey scale? I think somewhere around 2.<br />
Almost bi-, but leaning towards opposite sex.</p>
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		<title>By: Deep Throat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deep Throat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keys to a Dutch manuscript, dating from 1430. Click to see the image here:
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/6320/elisha2kt0.jpg  

The manuscript shows our Beloved Teacher at ‘work’ as he contemplates the enormity of the Holy Rod (at least 7’ 3”) that will finally satisfy his satyriatic impulses. The golden aura around the Rod signifies his imagination that C-Influence has sanctified his lust. Appropriately, the bedchamber (Galleria) is decorated with phalluses of various shapes and sizes, denoting his central identifications (note one Long Be, one Short Be, and One Medium Be that is ‘just right’).

The figure standing by the bed represents an ‘older student’, perhaps Ni_k Spa_ldi_g or some other member of the ‘inner circle’. The crown shows he views himself as an important fish in a very small pond. While the Beloved Teacher amuses himself in his narcissistic fantasy, this ‘king’ takes it upon himself to shoot his arrow of delusion (transmission of illusory authority) at a student trying to escape the Fellowship of Friends (figure at upper left trying to tiptoe out of the picture towards the dawn of understanding with his spear of verification intact).

 The four crosses around Beloved Teacher’s head represent the four Big Original Whoppers (lying about his being, lying about his teaching, lying about his celibacy and lying about his power to foresee the future) that he told at the founding ‘do’ of the Fellowship. They are also represented by the four stones outside the window, which have been tripping up his followers ever since. 

These lies (seemingly innocuous, at the time) told by the Sleeping Teacher have now grown to maturity, shown by the four trees. Each tree represents an important characteristic of the Fellowship: using language from a tradition of awakening to send followers to deeper sleep, engendering a false sense of being specially chosen by C-Influence, fostering spiritual materialism, and voluntary enslavement to a self–appointed intermediary, or priest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keys to a Dutch manuscript, dating from 1430. Click to see the image here:<br />
<a href="http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/6320/elisha2kt0.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/6320/elisha2kt0.jpg</a>  </p>
<p>The manuscript shows our Beloved Teacher at ‘work’ as he contemplates the enormity of the Holy Rod (at least 7’ 3”) that will finally satisfy his satyriatic impulses. The golden aura around the Rod signifies his imagination that C-Influence has sanctified his lust. Appropriately, the bedchamber (Galleria) is decorated with phalluses of various shapes and sizes, denoting his central identifications (note one Long Be, one Short Be, and One Medium Be that is ‘just right’).</p>
<p>The figure standing by the bed represents an ‘older student’, perhaps Ni_k Spa_ldi_g or some other member of the ‘inner circle’. The crown shows he views himself as an important fish in a very small pond. While the Beloved Teacher amuses himself in his narcissistic fantasy, this ‘king’ takes it upon himself to shoot his arrow of delusion (transmission of illusory authority) at a student trying to escape the Fellowship of Friends (figure at upper left trying to tiptoe out of the picture towards the dawn of understanding with his spear of verification intact).</p>
<p> The four crosses around Beloved Teacher’s head represent the four Big Original Whoppers (lying about his being, lying about his teaching, lying about his celibacy and lying about his power to foresee the future) that he told at the founding ‘do’ of the Fellowship. They are also represented by the four stones outside the window, which have been tripping up his followers ever since. </p>
<p>These lies (seemingly innocuous, at the time) told by the Sleeping Teacher have now grown to maturity, shown by the four trees. Each tree represents an important characteristic of the Fellowship: using language from a tradition of awakening to send followers to deeper sleep, engendering a false sense of being specially chosen by C-Influence, fostering spiritual materialism, and voluntary enslavement to a self–appointed intermediary, or priest.</p>
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		<title>By: Who Knows</title>
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		<dc:creator>Who Knows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>611 2b and Sharon

Well, I had never got anything from RB, and I have many friends in his circle, never heard anyone say they got anything.

You may say that they were asked to keep silence. But I think the whole situation is made-up out of fear of someone contracting a disease and spreading it around, and rumors.

Correct me if I am wrong.

And please, stop fighting with me, it&#039;s sooo tiring.
I am just trying to see things for what they are, that is all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>611 2b and Sharon</p>
<p>Well, I had never got anything from RB, and I have many friends in his circle, never heard anyone say they got anything.</p>
<p>You may say that they were asked to keep silence. But I think the whole situation is made-up out of fear of someone contracting a disease and spreading it around, and rumors.</p>
<p>Correct me if I am wrong.</p>
<p>And please, stop fighting with me, it&#8217;s sooo tiring.<br />
I am just trying to see things for what they are, that is all.</p>
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		<title>By: Who Knows</title>
		<link>http://fellowshipoffriends.wordpress.com/2007/07/28/the-fellowship-of-friends-discussion-part-17/#comment-5467</link>
		<dc:creator>Who Knows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>594 Innernaut

&lt;em&gt;“Do you think it ONLY applies to those “in the cult”?”
No, but I think those out of the cult can see the problems of cult membership more clearly. You’re a fish trying to argue that there is no water. We’re out here breathing air and wondering why you can’t see that you’re surrounded by the stuff.&lt;/em&gt;

Yes, those out of... but I would not include former members here. I think they would not be more objective then the current members.

I know I might not know everything or see things &quot;as they are&quot;, but I would not grant this ability to other people just because they are &quot;out of the pool&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>594 Innernaut</p>
<p><em>“Do you think it ONLY applies to those “in the cult”?”<br />
No, but I think those out of the cult can see the problems of cult membership more clearly. You’re a fish trying to argue that there is no water. We’re out here breathing air and wondering why you can’t see that you’re surrounded by the stuff.</em></p>
<p>Yes, those out of&#8230; but I would not include former members here. I think they would not be more objective then the current members.</p>
<p>I know I might not know everything or see things &#8220;as they are&#8221;, but I would not grant this ability to other people just because they are &#8220;out of the pool&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Opus111</title>
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		<dc:creator>Opus111</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To &quot;You-me-us-they&quot;

If you are suggesting by your few recents posts that the infomation presented here is akin to an informational cascade with content independent of the posters&#039; private (interesting word) signal (=experience), you will have a lot of convincing to do. 
Are you ready to go back over those amongst the 8000 posts and say this to the faces of Simon, Whale rider, Cyclops/Jack, Joseph, Anna and so many others? That they are just copy cats one of the other?

Or do I misunderstand what you are trying to say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To &#8220;You-me-us-they&#8221;</p>
<p>If you are suggesting by your few recents posts that the infomation presented here is akin to an informational cascade with content independent of the posters&#8217; private (interesting word) signal (=experience), you will have a lot of convincing to do.<br />
Are you ready to go back over those amongst the 8000 posts and say this to the faces of Simon, Whale rider, Cyclops/Jack, Joseph, Anna and so many others? That they are just copy cats one of the other?</p>
<p>Or do I misunderstand what you are trying to say?</p>
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		<title>By: You-me-us-they</title>
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		<dc:creator>You-me-us-they</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Well heck! If all of you smart cookies, who am I to dissent?
(New Yorker Magazine, 1972)

Definition: An informational cascades is a situation in which every actor, based on the observations of others, makes the same choice independent of his/her private signal.

Study conducted by S.Bikhchandani, D. Hirshleifer, I. Welch.

Gratitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well heck! If all of you smart cookies, who am I to dissent?<br />
(New Yorker Magazine, 1972)</p>
<p>Definition: An informational cascades is a situation in which every actor, based on the observations of others, makes the same choice independent of his/her private signal.</p>
<p>Study conducted by S.Bikhchandani, D. Hirshleifer, I. Welch.</p>
<p>Gratitude.</p>
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